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Post by moui » Tue Apr 08, 2008 7:48 pm

Gryson wrote:
Albedo wrote:Second the 8800 GT. This new wave of Nvidia cards are much better (and getting better reviews and tests) than the Radeon cards.

Also, this is the difference between the different vista OSs.
You bastard, you stole my response!!!!!
nothing on the chart makes any difference for gaming =[

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Post by Gryson » Tue Apr 08, 2008 7:51 pm

Some more detailed information. I thought there was a DX discrepancy as well, but I can't seem to find it.

http://www.winsupersite.com/reviews/winvista_02.asp
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Post by moui » Tue Apr 08, 2008 8:02 pm

Thanks for the further detail, Gryson; however, I still feel like home basic (64-bit) is fine even with the new comparison...

see: "Performance features" table

one thing: "dual-core" processors are still only one "physical processor" right?

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Post by Gryson » Tue Apr 08, 2008 8:22 pm

Its technically 2 processors (cores) on 1 die. In simpler terms, yes.
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Post by moui » Tue Apr 08, 2008 9:26 pm

another ibuypower intel pc -- this one is a "special" entailing free shipping
(note: special expires soon, but presumably a similar deal is always available as they have weekly specials)

grand total $826 (note only 2gb of RAM but superior graphics card compared to other customized pcs)

Case ( Nzxt Hush Gaming Tower Case w/420W Power Supply Black )
Case Lighting ( None )
Power Supply ( 600 Watt -- Power Supply SLI Ready )
Processor ( Intel Core 2 Duo Processor E6750 (2x 2.66GHz/4MB L2 Cache/1333FSB) )
Processor Cooling ( [=== Silent ===] Extreme-Performance INTEL CPU Cooling Fan System Kit Silent & Overclocking Proof = Maximum cooling efficiency for quietness and performance )
Motherboard ( Asus P5KPL-VM Intel G31 Chipset w/6-channels, Gb LAN, S-ATA 3Gb/s, USB 2.0, Single PCI-E MB )
Memory ( 2048MB [1024MB X2] DDR2-800 PC6400 Memory Module Corsair-Value or Major Brand )
Video Card ( NVIDIA GeForce 8600GT 512MB w/DVI + TV Out Video )
Video Card Brand ( Major Brand Powered by NVIDIA )
Hard Drive ( 250 GB HARD DRIVE [Serial-ATA-II, 3Gb, 7200 RPM, 8M Cache] )
2nd Hard Drive ( None )
External Hard Drives [USB 2.0/eSATA] ( None )
CD/DVD Drive ( None )
CD-RW/DVD-RW Drive ( [** Special !!! ***] 20X Dual Format/Double Layer DVD±R/±RW + CD-R/RW Drive Beige )
Sound Card ( 3D Premium Surround Sound Onboard )
Speaker System ( 600W PMPO 3 PCS Super Bass Subwoofer Speaker System )
Network Card ( Onboard LAN Network (Gb or 10/100) )
Floppy Drive ( Mitsumi 1.44 MB Internal Floppy Drive Beige )
Monitor ( None )
2nd Monitor ( None )
Keyboard ( PS/2 104 Key Windows 98 Keyboard Beige )
Mouse ( Logitech Optical Internet Mouse Black )
USB 2.0 Accessories ( Build-in USB 2.0 Ports )
Meter Display ( None )
Flash Media Reader/Writer ( 12-In-1 Internal Flash Media Card Reader/Writer Black )
Operation System ( Microsoft Windows Vista Home Basic + [Free 60-Day !!!] Microsoft Office 2007(Word, Excel, Outlook, PowerPoint, Access ....) 64-Bit )
Media Center Remote Control & TV Tuner ( None )
USB Flash Drive ( None )
MP3 Player ( None )
TV Tuner ( None )
Video Camera ( None )
Headset ( None )
Power Protection ( None )
Warranty ( Warranty Service Standard 3-Year Limited Warranty + Lifetime Technical Support )
Rush Service ( Rush Service Fee (not shipping fee) No Rush, Ship Out in 5~10 Business Days )

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Post by Nokturnal » Tue Apr 08, 2008 11:34 pm

Damn you guys have done your homework! I've been looking at PCs too, since AoC is right around the corner. I'm just waiting for my tax return before setting a budget. The good thing is that I don't need a monitor, keyboard or mouse. Not that the keyboard and mouse are that expensive anyways. I'm definitely getting a GeForce 8800 GT though! Maybe even 2!!

I have a question about ibuypower. When you're building a custom PC, does it only show options that will work together? Let's say I pick a ram that isn't compatible with the motherboard, will they notify me or something? One of the main reasons why I'm going to pre-built route this time is to avoid all that headache with figuring out what works best with what.

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Post by Nokturnal » Wed Apr 09, 2008 12:15 am

Wow that one is pretty nice. Good price too.

If I run with 4 gigs of RAM, will I need Vista x64?

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Post by moui » Wed Apr 09, 2008 12:58 pm

vista x32 will support up to 3.5gb of RAM I think. so you'd miss out on 512mb of your RAM.

most of the places I've seen, the difference between the 32bit and 64bit versions is only $18 or so, so it would probably be worth it in case you end up wanting even more RAM.

also consider that 32bit doesn't fully support 64bit processors.

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Post by Nokturnal » Wed Apr 09, 2008 10:28 pm

I was reading that vista link that gryson posted and it seems that some games have problems running in x64 or is that site outdated? I'm sure eventually, x64 will be the standard but until then, is it worth getting now?

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Post by moui » Wed Apr 09, 2008 11:34 pm

nokturnal wrote:I was reading that vista link that gryson posted and it seems that some games have problems running in x64 or is that site outdated? I'm sure eventually, x64 will be the standard but until then, is it worth getting now?
I can't find that info... where do you see it?

looks like 32bit vista does support 64bit processors, so it's just the RAM capacity.

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Post by Nokturnal » Thu Apr 10, 2008 4:25 am

http://www.winsupersite.com/reviews/winvista_06.asp

That was posted Dec 06...so maybe it's a bit outdated.

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Post by Albedo » Thu Apr 10, 2008 6:32 am

I'm not sure what they're selling concerning x64 processors. However, you can purchase the 32 bit and then upgrade for free (maybe shipping cost? I don't remember) from the Microsoft site if you feel the desire. According to the MS site, they don't ship a 64 version, just the 32. THey offer the free upgrade on their site for those who want the 64 version.

Ah, here it is; it's a "minimal fee." Personally, I'd go with the 32 and look towards the 64 later. I know a lot of people have complained about the lack of drivers for the 64 version.

Also the 64 version seems to be where it'd be a good idea to have the premium because on the basic you could only have up to 8, vice the 16 on premium.

BUT! If it comes down to money, get the basic 32 version right now. Because there's an option in Vista to upgrade to a higher version if you want later. You're not stuck with one version for eternity.
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Post by Mompas » Thu Apr 10, 2008 5:38 pm

I have 64 bit Vista and it runs fine.

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Post by Albedo » Thu Apr 10, 2008 5:39 pm

you haven't had any driver problems?

Maybe I'll look into "upgrading" to it when I get back. Do you like it, Mompas?
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