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How do I turn my PC on??
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Computer help please

Post by shimdic » Tue May 06, 2008 9:43 pm

A lot of questions because I'm stupid. This is what I came up with and I am a little under my budget so I can definately improve the machine if I choose incorrectly.
Case ( Standard ATX Mid-Tower Case w/350W Power Supply [no side window] Black/Silver 2-Tone )
Case Lighting ( None )
Power Supply ( 750 Watt -- [$40 OFF Mail-In Rebate] Thermaltake Toughpower W0117RU Power Supply Quad SLI Ready )
Processor ( Intel Core 2 Duo Processor E8400 (2x 3.0GHz/6MB L2 Cache/1333FSB) )
Free Software/Game ( Free Game - [Halo 2] must purchase with Microsoft Windows Vista operation system )
Free Software/Game ( [Free] iBUYPOWER T-Shirt with Archlord Game Graphic on Back --- $19.99 value )
Free Software/Game ( [Free] iBUYPOWER Aegis Case - for your Games, Accessories, Disks, Manuals ... etc. --- $19.99 value )
Processor Cooling ( [=== Silent ===] Extreme-Performance INTEL CPU Cooling Fan System Kit Silent & Overclocking Proof = Maximum cooling efficiency for quietness and performance )
Motherboard ( [== New ==] Asus P5N-D Nvidia nForce 750i SLI Chipset w/7.1 Sound, Gb LAN, S-ATA Raid, USB 2.0, IEEE-1394, Dual PCI-E MB EPU Technology )
Memory ( 2048MB [1024MB X2] DDR2-800 PC6400 Memory Module Corsair XMS2 Xtreme w/Heat Spreader )
Video Card ( 2X NVIDIA GeForce 8500GT 256MB w/DVI + TV Out Video )
Video Card Brand ( === High Performance === eVGA Brand Video Cards [SLI enabled] Powered by NVIDIA )
Hard Drive ( 320 GB HARD DRIVE [Serial-ATA-II, 3Gb, 7200 RPM, 16M Cache] )
2nd Hard Drive ( None )
External Hard Drives [USB 2.0/eSATA] ( None )
CD/DVD Drive ( None )
CD-RW/DVD-RW Drive ( [** Special !!! ***] 20X Dual Format/Double Layer DVD±R/±RW + CD-R/RW Drive Black )
Sound Card ( 3D Premium Surround Sound Onboard )
Speaker System ( None )
Network Card ( Onboard LAN Network (Gb or 10/100) )
Floppy Drive ( None )
Monitor ( None )
2nd Monitor ( None )
Keyboard ( None )
Mouse ( None )
USB 2.0 Accessories ( Build-in USB 2.0 Ports )
Meter Display ( None )
Flash Media Reader/Writer ( 12-In-1 Internal Flash Media Card Reader/Writer Black )
Operation System ( Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium + [Free 60-Day !!!] Microsoft Office 2007(Word, Excel, Outlook, PowerPoint, Access ....) 64-Bit )
Media Center Remote Control & TV Tuner ( None )
USB Flash Drive ( None )
MP3 Player ( None )
TV Tuner ( None )
Video Camera ( None )
Headset ( None )
Power Protection ( None )
Warranty ( Warranty Service Standard 3-Year Limited Warranty + Lifetime Technical Support )

1) How much power do I need? Is 750 watts enough?
2) Processcors: what's the difference between these?
Intel Core 2 Duo Processor E6850 (2x 3.0GHz/4MB L2 Cache/1333FSB)
Intel Core 2 Duo Processor E8400 (2x 3.0GHz/6MB L2 Cache/1333FSB)
(I went for option 2 since E8400 > E6850 and the MB is higher)
3) Wtf? I don't speak motherboard. Which one should I choose?
4) Is that okay memory?
5) Video card: does the 2x mean two of them? Should I get two smaller ones or one big one? Is there any benefit to the "card brand" I choose === High Performance === eVGA Brand Video Cards [SLI enabled] Powered by NVIDIA
6) I hope 320 GB is good enough, I don't have that much porn. I don't need a second hard drive I don't think either.
7) Would I need two CD drives or just one?
8.) Sound card? I went with 3D Premium Surround Sound Onboard
9) Vista version: what's the difference between home premium and home basic and 32 and 64 bit?



THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!! <3

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Post by shimdic » Tue May 06, 2008 10:35 pm

Case ( Standard ATX Mid-Tower Case w/350W Power Supply [no side window] Black/Silver 2-Tone )
Case Lighting ( None )
Power Supply ( 750 Watt -- [$40 OFF Mail-In Rebate] Thermaltake Toughpower W0117RU Power Supply Quad SLI Ready )
Processor ( Intel Core 2 Duo Processor E8400 (2x 3.0GHz/6MB L2 Cache/1333FSB) )
Free Software/Game ( Free Game - [Halo 2] must purchase with Microsoft Windows Vista operation system )
Free Software/Game ( [Free] iBUYPOWER T-Shirt with Archlord Game Graphic on Back --- $19.99 value )
Free Software/Game ( [Free] iBUYPOWER Aegis Case - for your Games, Accessories, Disks, Manuals ... etc. --- $19.99 value )
Processor Cooling ( [=== Silent ===] Extreme-Performance INTEL CPU Cooling Fan System Kit Silent & Overclocking Proof = Maximum cooling efficiency for quietness and performance )
Motherboard ( [== New ==] Asus P5N-D Nvidia nForce 750i SLI Chipset w/7.1 Sound, Gb LAN, S-ATA Raid, USB 2.0, IEEE-1394, Dual PCI-E MB EPU Technology )
Memory ( 4096MB [1024MB X4] DDR2-800 PC6400 Memory Module Corsair-Value or Major Brand )
Video Card ( [New !!!] NVIDIA GeForce 9600GT 1GB w/DVI + TV Out Video )
Video Card Brand ( Major Brand Powered by NVIDIA )
Hard Drive ( 320 GB HARD DRIVE [Serial-ATA-II, 3Gb, 7200 RPM, 16M Cache] )
2nd Hard Drive ( None )
External Hard Drives [USB 2.0/eSATA] ( None )
CD/DVD Drive ( 16x DVD-ROM Drive Black )
CD-RW/DVD-RW Drive ( [** Special !!! ***] 20X Dual Format/Double Layer DVD±R/±RW + CD-R/RW Drive Black )
Sound Card ( 3D Premium Surround Sound Onboard )
Speaker System ( None )
Network Card ( Onboard LAN Network (Gb or 10/100) )
Floppy Drive ( None )
Monitor ( None )
2nd Monitor ( None )
Keyboard ( None )
Mouse ( None )
USB 2.0 Accessories ( Build-in USB 2.0 Ports )
Meter Display ( None )
Flash Media Reader/Writer ( 12-In-1 Internal Flash Media Card Reader/Writer Black )
Operation System ( Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium + [Free 60-Day !!!] Microsoft Office 2007(Word, Excel, Outlook, PowerPoint, Access ....) 64-Bit )
Media Center Remote Control & TV Tuner ( None )
USB Flash Drive ( None )
MP3 Player ( None )
TV Tuner ( None )
Video Camera ( None )
Headset ( None )
Power Protection ( None )
Warranty ( Warranty Service Standard 3-Year Limited Warranty + Lifetime Technical Support )


Updated computer, any suggestions?

Thank you!

Chien

Post by Chien » Wed May 07, 2008 11:09 am

1) 750 watts should be fine.
2) E8400 is the better CPU, more cache, it rates slightly higher.
3) A mobo that will run all of your RAM, your CPU, and GPU. You'll want more than one PCIE slot if you want to SLI/Xfire an additional video card later.
4) 4 gigs is pretty awesome.
5) From the guys I work with, the 9600GT is a solid card. With a gig of ram on it (is it DDR2 or DDR3?), you should be able to run games on pretty high settings.
6) A 320 gig HDD is not bad at all. I prefer to run my OS on a seperate HDD, but if you run it on a seperate partition, you should be good to go.
7) Personally, a DVD drive and a CD drive.
8.) Onboard will use some system resources, but it'll do unless you're an audiophile.
9) If you plan on running more than 3.5 gigs of RAM on your PC, you'll need to run 64 bit OS. I'm not sure on the difference between Home Basic and Home Premium. I am guessing extra bells and whistles.

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Post by moui » Wed May 07, 2008 11:52 am

1) How much power do I need? Is 750 watts enough?

more than enough.

2) Processcors: what's the difference between these?
Intel Core 2 Duo Processor E6850 (2x 3.0GHz/4MB L2 Cache/1333FSB)
Intel Core 2 Duo Processor E8400 (2x 3.0GHz/6MB L2 Cache/1333FSB)

as chien said, larger cache for the second one

3) Wtf? I don't speak motherboard. Which one should I choose?

ask Mompas

4) Is that okay memory?

yeah, 4gb is enough

5) Video card: does the 2x mean two of them? Should I get two smaller ones or one big one? Is there any benefit to the "card brand" I choose === High Performance === eVGA Brand Video Cards [SLI enabled] Powered by NVIDIA

please see:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gra ... 923-4.html
also, the next page.

6) I hope 320 GB is good enough, I don't have that much porn. I don't need a second hard drive I don't think either.

one hard drive is fine, 320gb is a lot

7) Would I need two CD drives or just one?

two makes for easier cd/dvd burning, but might not be worth the money

8.) Sound card? I went with 3D Premium Surround Sound Onboard

onboard sound is fine

9) Vista version: what's the difference between home premium and home basic and 32 and 64 bit?

you will likely want 64bit; don't think basic vs. premium is very different

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Post by shimdic » Wed May 07, 2008 1:44 pm

So the 8800 GT 512mb is better than the 9600 GT 1gb?


The 9600 is actually cheaper and I could get the 8800 since it is only a little bit more (16 bucks), but I'm over the budget I set for myself.


EDIT:

What's the difference between a 8800GT 512mb and a 9600GT 512mb?

http://www.trustedreviews.com/graphics/ ... 9600-GT/p5
I just don't get it. Why would you call something a 9600 and have it be WORSE than something called an 8800. The logic does not make sense in my head! I did change the chip to a 8800 GT 512mb. I'm finally going to buy this computer TODAY after procrastinating for so long.

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Post by bluexy » Wed May 07, 2008 2:30 pm

The 9600 1Gb would be better than the 8800 512.
The 9600 512 would be would be just below an 8800 512.

The difference isn't just a greater number, but an entire series, so the 8800 is part of the 8000 series, and the 9600 is part of the 9000 series. Since the 8800 is top of the line in it's series, it's going to run better than a medium level 9000 series.

9600 or 8800, they're going to be good cards, and really the performance level isn't going to be spectacularly different. If you've got the budget though, it's probably worth it to try and get those extra frames per second.

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Post by shimdic » Wed May 07, 2008 4:57 pm

...and bought!

Thank you everybody!


I am going with the 9600 GT 1gb. It's not like I am going to see any difference really in the graphics because compared to what I am using right now, anything will be an upgrade.



I am really really excited for AoC now!!

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Post by manekineko » Thu May 08, 2008 11:53 am

<---buys hefty soundcards. Audiophiles unite!

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Post by Xelissa » Thu May 08, 2008 12:07 pm

Nice, Jeff. How much did it cost you?

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Post by Chien » Thu May 08, 2008 1:34 pm

manekineko wrote:<---buys hefty soundcards. Audiophiles unite!
I'm with you on that. Although the soundcard I have now has a heatsink on it, so I am crazy nervous about it. But it is sexy. Now I just need new speakers...

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Post by clok1966 » Mon May 19, 2008 3:13 pm

One thing to note, if you are thinking of X-fire or SLI (2 video cards someday) the MB you chose will matter, since Nvidea is be anal, only SLI certified boards will run Nvidea cards (so only Nvidea chipset boards which depending on what you read can be buggy atm and if you Overclock the Nbridge gets hella warm and some say it corrupts HD's)

One other thing differnce in the CPU's, the 8400 is the newer Die set, smaller die size, so it uses less power (less heat, thats a big plus) and will overclock much more.

750 PSU, more then you will ever need unless you have 2 video cards and lots of fans/HD's/ optical drives, water cooling, etc.. Most 2 Video card systems with a hd and optical drive draw about 330-400 watts at load. Of course you dont want to buy a 400 Watt PSU as it would have to be running 100% all the time, this isnt good and will create lots of heat and probebly kill your PSU in short order. A good PSU should be able to run at 75% roughly for extended periods of time. So basicly any single card PC should work very well with a "GOOD" 500 watt PSU. keep in mind what people think is good is going to vary alot.

Oh alot of talk about monitors here.. If you have an Office Max near you .. look for online coupons or the like (normaly is $25 of $75 and such out there) they have a 24" SOYO for $300 alot of the time. make no mistake, its nota $5-600 Dell 24" but for the price its a DANG nice monitor. But remeber LCD's work best in the native res, and with this thing thats 1920X1080, which will take a good CPU /grahics card combo to pull off. it only has a DVI and VGA conection, so if you like to hook consoles up and such to your LCD its not the one, but if its strickly hooked to your PC, its a Pretty sweet LCD for the price.

Clok

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